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<p></p> <table class='diff diff-contentalign-left'> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 21:03, 5 August 2010</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 5:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 5:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>This project is based on the same principles as a Mag-Lev train except wrapped into a circle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubless_wheel</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; 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color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">so if we needed to we could use Mag fields for propulsion and a bearing for suspension</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Also: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8643</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Bradley: yeah there are companies that sell magnets in quantities of 100-500</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I think we would be looking at those</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; 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Dantheman2865 http://i3detroit.com/wi/index.php?title=Hubless_Motor&diff=888&oldid=prev 2010-08-05T20:53:08Z

<p></p> <table class='diff diff-contentalign-left'> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 20:53, 5 August 2010</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 4:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 4:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>== Underlying Principles ==</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>== Underlying Principles ==</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>-<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">---</del></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">This project is based on the same principles as a Mag</ins>-<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Lev train except wrapped into a circle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubless_wheel</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>&#160;</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>== Project Information ==</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>== Project Information ==</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>A really good write-up about Penn State Harrisburgh's project: http://www.recumbentjournal.com/news/gear/item/53-hubless-wheels-emerge-on-recumbent-trike.html</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>A really good write-up about Penn State Harrisburgh's project: http://www.recumbentjournal.com/news/gear/item/53-hubless-wheels-emerge-on-recumbent-trike.html</div></td></tr> </table>

Dantheman2865 http://i3detroit.com/wi/index.php?title=Hubless_Motor&diff=887&oldid=prev 2010-08-05T20:51:12Z

<p>Created page with &#039;== Hubless Motor == A page for the collection of information concerning this project and the coordination of the build. == Underlying Principles == ---- == Project Information...&#039;</p> <p><b>New page</b></p><div>== Hubless Motor ==<br /> A page for the collection of information concerning this project and the coordination of the build.<br /> <br /> == Underlying Principles ==<br /> <br /> ----<br /> <br /> == Project Information ==<br /> A really good write-up about Penn State Harrisburgh's project: http://www.recumbentjournal.com/news/gear/item/53-hubless-wheels-emerge-on-recumbent-trike.html</div>

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